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General => Banned => Topic started by: Booker T on October 20, 2009, 22:10:35 PM

Title: Lettuce
Post by: Booker T on October 20, 2009, 22:10:35 PM
Guy was on earlier, seems very dodgy so I checked his steam id

http://middleagedgamers.hlstatsx.com/hlstats.php?mode=playerinfo&player=1155 (http://middleagedgamers.hlstatsx.com/hlstats.php?mode=playerinfo&player=1155)

And found this

http://gb-uk.co.uk/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=12497 (http://gb-uk.co.uk/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=12497)

Do we think this is sufficient for a ban
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: Cavturbo on October 21, 2009, 00:03:51 AM
That demo is mad, never seen so many kills & headshots with a SAW.
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: Booker T on October 21, 2009, 00:39:07 AM
If you look at his stats his hpk is "only" 0.48 but he has the highest kpd of any regular on the server and his weapon accuracy of 34% is higher than everyone else on the front page of the stats, by a at least 10%.

Looks to me like an aimbot, but one designed to be less obvious by giving you fewer headshots.
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: furien on October 21, 2009, 08:55:59 AM
Alot of peeps where saying he was Dodgy the other night when he came on and got a score of 30-2, Even LuCid was a little Suprised by that one :P Good call, ANother Weed Yanked out by its roots :)
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: googy on October 21, 2009, 11:34:17 AM
have been talking to him and seems like a really nice guy hope ur wrong on this one tbh  :(
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: choddychod on October 21, 2009, 14:06:27 PM
If you look at his stats his hpk is "only" 0.48 but he has the highest kpd of any regular on the server and his weapon accuracy of 34% is higher than everyone else on the front page of the stats, by a at least 10%.

Looks to me like an aimbot, but one designed to be less obvious by giving you fewer headshots.

I love this quote.   ;D
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: tonedcos on October 21, 2009, 16:01:55 PM
Anyone know where the downloaded is stored. Can't find it. :'(
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: madjock on October 21, 2009, 16:22:41 PM
Steam ID & Name: STEAM_0:1:18627223 *pM* Strelok
Demo: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?iddznnlmn4z
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: Booker T on October 21, 2009, 17:51:26 PM
I love this quote.   ;D

If you'd seen some of the shots this guy was pulling off you'd understand why I think that Chod.  He's been steambanned on another server, maybe he's trying out some more subtle hax.  Let's face it, some of us specced Jack but couldn't be sure.

I've not banned the guy.  Do we feel some highly suspicious stats, a previous steamban and complaints about the guy on the server are enough for a ban?

If you order the stats by accuracy you will see that noone with the number of kills he has comes anywhere near 34%.  The only one who comes near is Marram on 27% and he's 2 pages further down the stats by accuracy.
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: Ziggy on October 21, 2009, 18:02:07 PM
yeah but Marram hacks  ::)                      ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: Funpig on October 21, 2009, 18:03:42 PM
lol I was thinking that but thought no I wont say it  ;D
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: Booker T on October 21, 2009, 18:05:48 PM
Well, if we take that as a given, then obviously Lettuce has better hax.

Do we need to put this to a vote in the MAG section or do we give the guy the benefit of the doubt and keep an eye on him?
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: tonedcos on October 21, 2009, 18:19:31 PM
Steam ID & Name: STEAM_0:1:18627223 *pM* Strelok
Demo: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?iddznnlmn4z

Is there a dedicated player for this, I downloaded the recommended FLV player, but all it seems to do is attempt to buffer and freeze up.  :'(
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: Booker T on October 21, 2009, 18:27:48 PM
Steam ID & Name: STEAM_0:1:18627223 *pM* Strelok
Demo: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?iddznnlmn4z

Is there a dedicated player for this, I downloaded the recommended FLV player, but all it seems to do is attempt to buffer and freeze up.  :'(

It's a demo Cos, you play it through counterstrike. 
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: Booker T on October 21, 2009, 19:35:33 PM
I decided to see how he'd react to us knowing about the ban,  he claims he was banned but the ban was revoked.  Strange though, 'cause there's nothing on their forums to show him being unbanned and he's still banned on Steambans.

I reckon we keep an eye on him and see how it goes, after all, I've been known to jump the gun before ;D
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: Mr Marram on October 21, 2009, 21:46:34 PM
yeah but Marram hacks  ::)                      ;D ;D ;D

dont tell vimes that .....

I was getting top accuracy from february to june then i went on holidays and am back up to top since september :D woot
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: Lucid on October 21, 2009, 21:58:15 PM
My thoughts after seeing this one was anti recoil & poss no walls but im not 100%. Cheats are usually easy to spot & when its not its usually just a good player.  Eyeball scanners running.  :D
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: choddychod on October 21, 2009, 21:58:52 PM
34% is not an unreasonably high hit percentage.  And his HS ratio is also low.  Do you really think that he would use a hack that misses heads most of the time and misses body shots 66% of the time?  What would be the point? Especially on a Public server?

You can not ban him on the strenght of those stats.  The dmeo and steam bans evidence is another matter.  I know a number of people that have used hacks, but dont now.  Doesnt mean that I would ban them all.
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: Booker T on October 21, 2009, 22:10:47 PM
The stats is just an aside, it's mainly the previous ban and some of the things I've seen on the server Chod.

34% is the highest accuracy in the top 50 players on our server.  Marram is next with 27% and one guy on 25%, the rest are all around 20%.  It's significantly higher than the other top 49 on our stats.   That rings alarm bells for me.  Perhaps anti-recoil makes more sense than an aimbot.  However, I only looked at his stats after becoming suspicious of him and checking his steam id in the first place.

As I said, we need to keep an eye on him, but at the moment he has the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: Irish_Hawk on October 22, 2009, 18:05:47 PM
That demo is quite funny. Surely a 'good' player doesn't need to use hacks in the first place? I mean he is obviously using them in that demo and everyone was already thinking he was strange before discovering that he has already been steam banned before.
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: Rich on October 22, 2009, 21:27:09 PM
suggest you follow normal protocol. Spec on the server and if you see anything suspicious; demo, post, get feedback, judgement day.
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: looroll on October 23, 2009, 10:53:29 AM
suggest you follow normal protocol. Spec on the server and if you see anything suspicious; demo, post, get feedback, judgement day.

this
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: googy on October 23, 2009, 19:25:26 PM
i talk to the guy every time hes on as a bloke hes top drawer.
he said do u spec me wen ur dead i said yes i do .
and to be honest ive seen better players on every night.
he nos some ppl av a problem with him he told me i dont cheat googy i really dont .
funny enough on wat ive seen and ive seen a lot of him i believe him.i can point out other ppl i would put in front of him as cheating.
but im no expert and i hope your wrong .
if hes hacking il call him a txxt and ban him myself.
but i do believe we have to call it a day and let him get on with it .
if we see any thing ban him but untill i think we need to call it a day or ppl will get paranoid and see things that arnt there .
just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: Booker T on October 23, 2009, 19:54:15 PM
He's hardly going to admit to cheating Googy.  He's been banned for hacking on another server and the demo seems pretty conclusive.

We keep an eye on him and see what happens.
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: Snake on October 23, 2009, 20:39:48 PM
Didn't we all believe 'jack'  :-X
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: Booker T on October 24, 2009, 00:26:01 AM
Banned for deliberate teamkill on me.

Put Piranesi on 'cause I thought Contra would empty the server, so Lettuce and his mate decided to have a bitching session about it.

Lettuce then killed me, told me to "suck it" so I kicked him

His m8 then said, why don't you kick me too you faggot, so I banned him.

Lettuce then decided to teamkill me.

Any other admin wants to discuss my decision then feel free.
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: tonedcos on October 24, 2009, 02:21:23 AM
I was on then mate.They also had a go at Vimes. Sounded like they were off there heads and taking the micky. Bang out of order especially as Lettuce is on a yellow. >:(
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: Cavturbo on October 24, 2009, 15:23:53 PM
I was on as well and will stick up for vimes, he did change the map after the vote, but he explained why, and they just bitched and messed about. Also saw the TK on him as well, deliberate.

From what I saw Lettuce was super dodgy as well, was head shooting me for fun. I would appear around a corner and bang headshot.

At least with Lucid/Marram et al I stand a chance, I never got a shot off with Lettuce.
Title: Re: Lettuce
Post by: choddychod on October 24, 2009, 15:26:30 PM
No sticking up for Vimes needed, he has the full support of MAG.  Time to lock this thread and move on.