Hey guys,
when I turned the temp ban into a perm ban, I really didn't think this kind of reaction would come from the community, since Magpie said he will not be back anyway. But it seems that I need to address some things. The following took me hours to put together and although I have many other valuable things to do for the MAG community this is obviously important.
So first of all, doing that perm ban was, on reflection, overreacting. I was still very agitated, sad and extremely disappointed from what happened the night before. I will now revoke that perm ban and turn it back into a 7-day temp ban.
Aristo and I are very friendly, helpful and professional admins. You can ask around in the community, and everyone would agree to that I am sure. It's only when a certain line is crossed,
and our home MAG is under attack, that this mindset changes. But if that line is crossed, which rarely happens, because the regular players are also friendly, we become more protective.
There is a lot of background that most don't know. First of all, here's the full chatlog of that night for everyone to review. Magpie of course was reserved enough not to say anything too bad in the chat, although some things do shine through, and yes, everybody is a real player - this I checked on Cftools.
https://backend.middleagedgamers.co.uk/tmp/chatlog.txtSo the long verbal conversation that escalated between Aristo, Magpie, Beachbum and me is not documented, but quite a few players witnessed it, since it happened in the middle of Green Mountain Trader (GMT) so I am sure that these events can be verified.
The starting point was a fight between Hose A and Beachbum:
[2021-07-24T23:20:43.611000] <Beachbum> are you talking to me?
[2021-07-24T23:21:24.689000] <Beachbum> i am THE ONLY Beachbum and if you dont know me
[2021-07-24T23:21:29.162000] <Beachbum> then tough luck
[2021-07-24T23:21:52.763000] <Hose A> puta
[2021-07-24T23:22:09.009000] <inkihh> be nice everybody
[2021-07-24T23:22:27.376000] <Beachbum> yes
[2021-07-24T23:22:27.690000] <Beachbum> dont push me
[2021-07-24T23:22:47.362000] <Beachbum> KURVA
[2021-07-24T23:23:14.719000] <Hose A> nasty botha fagg boy
[2021-07-24T23:23:17.950000] <Beachbum> show your true colors Hose A
[2021-07-24T23:23:23.571000] <Magpie> wow
[2021-07-24T23:23:30.697000] <Beachbum> yes there we go Hose A
[2021-07-24T23:23:32.218000] <aristo> Last warning, Hose A
[2021-07-24T23:23:41.284000] <Hose A> ok im stepping out
[2021-07-24T23:24:05.340000] <aristo> Beachbum. Please leave. Your presence here is not
[2021-07-24T23:24:12.685000] <aristo> healthy for our community at this time.
Hose A insulted Beachbum as a puta (whore) and later a faggot. After the first insult, she insulted right back with Kurva (also whore). Hose A was warned and later temp banned for his actions. Hose A decided to pull back from the conversation, which was a good decision by him.
After we assessed the situation later, he received a 1 day temp ban. Mind you, this ban was for the insult ALONE. Beachbum racked up some more things that night. So please don't complain that she received a longer ban than Hose A. We didn't have time to deal with Hose A instantly, because Magpie and Beachbum would now start the aforementioned long verbal discussion at GMT.
One very dishonest argument was that Beachbum was "asked to leave, because she was called a faggot". Magpie said, thankfully in the chat, "am i gunna be asked to leave if i get called a fagg?".
[2021-07-24T23:25:01.727000] <Magpie> so hose a calls her a bitch and a fagg and SHE needs to
[2021-07-24T23:25:05.590000] <Magpie> leave?
[2021-07-24T23:25:14.296000] <aristo> I already addressed Hose A.
[2021-07-24T23:25:16.299000] <Beachbum> no baby admins need to learn too speak too players
[2021-07-24T23:25:20.076000] <aristo> And I asked, not demanded.
[2021-07-24T23:25:55.948000] <Magpie> you asked a player to leave
[2021-07-24T23:25:56.278000] <Beachbum> i refuse because i did nthing wrong
[2021-07-24T23:26:02.108000] <inkihh> Just stop it, everybody, and play the game.
[2021-07-24T23:26:25.266000] <Magpie> am i gunna be asked to leave is i get called a fagg?
Obviously, Beachbum was not asked to leave, BECAUSE Hose A called her a faggot, but because "Your presence here is not healthy for our community at this time.", which is absolutely reasonable to do. We should have asked Hose A the same thing, but unfortunately didn't. When people are fighting, it's often the right thing to remove them both, at least temporarily, until things cool down. Mind you, Beachbum insulted him back. And again, there is no causal relationship between being called a faggot and being asked to leave. I reiterate that Beachbum was asked to leave because in Aristo’s reasonable view "Your presence here is not healthy for our community at this time."
As a little side note, Beachbum has killed and banned for less in her days as a MAG admin.
So the accusation that Beachbum was asked to leave as a consequence of being called a faggot was brought up by Magpie over and over again, although Aristo and I explained many times that this was not case.
We asked them over and over again to please play the game now, but they demanded an apology from Aristo for asking Beachbum to leave, which makes no sense, since it was a reasonable thing to do, as described above. Over and over again, Magpie claimed that she was asked to leave BECAUSE she was called a faggot. And that he couldn't play the game, "because he would get banned".
Also during the verbal discussion, Magpie accused us many times of "treating them like that" because they were ex-MAG. Aristo and I answered in the negative just as many times, but Magpie would claim this over and over again. In fact, what I realised later, it was THEM who acted like they did because they were ex-MAG, and they somehow thought they were entitled to this kind of behaviour. A regular player of our friendly server would never have argued in such a dishonest and disrespectful way. And if anything, we gave them credit for being ex-MAG by taking a lot of time talking to them.
Things got really crazy when Magpie accused us of being sexist by treating Beachbum like that because she is a woman! We were really stunned and hurt by this accusation.
There are more things to mention, which I should probably do in this reply, but I have to take care of other things now. So I trust that everybody following the discussion will see my side of events.
Ban reissued as original 7 day
We can all learn and do things better!!
Lastly, I would hope that if any MAG went to play on their server we would do so in a respectful and appropriate manner.
Love,
inkihh